[HELICONIUS] Polytomy in the Heliconiini in opentreeoflife.org

[Krzysztof Kozak]

Hi,

Having looked at their discussion group, there are some good systematists
involved. I will just ask if I could simply upload a proper tree for
Heliconiini, or would they want me to hack through all the taxonomy...

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Kozak


On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Krzysztof Kozak <kmkozak87 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Why not just send them our phylogenies and ask if they can stitch those in
> instead? Maybe it could be corrected relatively painlessly. Eve if only one
> study ends up using this down the line, it may be good to have quality
> information?
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> __
> Chris Kozak
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Marianne Elias <melias2008 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, Ithomiini are also highly polytomous and comprise over 1500
>> 'species', some of which are subspecies, but other seem to come out from
>> nowhere (perhaps Keith W knows what they all are). Some species names are
>> also attributed to the wrong genus. It seems that they've datamined the
>> litterature, the web and databases and made a collection of names, most of
>> which are obsolete, wrong and redundant. I don't see the point of doing
>> this, all the more as there's already a tree of life project (tolweb.org)
>> with reasonable phylogenies (though not always up-to-date, but we should
>> only blame ourselves for our groups of interest!).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marianne
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:38 AM, James Mallet <jmallet at oeb.harvard.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting project idea, a Wikipedia for phylogeny, and perhaps I
>>> shouldn't knock it.
>>>
>>> But does anyone feel like correcting this polytomy in opentreeoflife.org?
>>>
>>> *https://tree.opentreeoflife.org/opentree/opentree3.0@1766047/Heliconiini
>>> <https://tree.opentreeoflife.org/opentree/opentree3.0@1766047/Heliconiini>*
>>>
>>> I counted 815 "species" in the genus *Heliconius *on this site,
>>> including *Heliconius wucherpfennigi* which is a named aberration of a
>>> form of a subspecies of "*Heliconius clytia*" which is thought today to
>>> be a synonym of *Heliconius wallacei*!
>>>
>>> No wonder they claim to have 2.3 million species! I wonder how many
>>> other groups have spurious species like this!
>>>
>>> Best wishes, Jim
>>>
>>> --
>>> James Mallet
>>> Organismic & Evolutionary Biology
>>> Harvard University
>>> 16 Divinity Avenue - BioLabs
>>> Cambridge, MA 02138
>>> USA tel: +(1)617-496-5350www.oeb.harvard.edu/mallet/
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Marianne Elias
>> CNRS Researcher
>> UMR 7205 - CNRS
>> Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle
>> 45 rue Buffon, CP50, 75005 Paris
>> phone: +33 1 40 79 37 90
>> http://www.mnhn.fr/oseb/elias-marianne,279
>>
>>
>
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